A veteran officer working undercover said he was shocked when a 14 year old girl solicited him for sex this morning during an undercover bust of prostitutes. Dressed in what appeared to be her school uniform, khaki pants and a white shirt, the girl was arrested. Instead of being in class at Hamilton High School, she was working as a prostitute in front of St. Augustine Catholic School. ”Apparently she doesn’t have the proper parenting at home or doesn’t have any parenting and trying to do a trick for $35 for oral sex with a guy like me who is 42 years old,” the officer explained.
What do you think about this?
I just read the entire article.
Just an indication of more responsible parenting in the “community”.
This is disgusting. I hope they take it a few steps further and examine her attendance records, the “baby mama’s” records, etc.
Actually, the entire “scene” is very disgusting to me, and I’ll tell you why. A situation, like this, causes no shame in the “hood”. The community is much unlike what myself, and the vast majority of decent folks will tolerate.
A 14 year old girl from a suburban community who was arrested for something similar would be absolutely blackballed by her fellow students, and would probably be totally ashamed to show her face.
No so in the hood. …
Oh well … to each their own. Just, don’t bring that crap to where I live.
Since color is so important to TJ and others on here, George, could you please tell us what color the lil dumpling is? Inquiring minds has gots to know.
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From George: http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=8221707
Your racism us disgusting. You know nothing of the people that live in these neighborhoods or what morals they do or do not have, and for the likes of you to stereotype everyone that lives “in the ‘hood” is an example of the bigotry,racism and outright stupidity that people in poor areas face. To call yourself “decent” when you have used racist terms throughout your posts is a clear demonstration of your shameless arrogance. Rather than receiving the help the community deserves, people like you condemn, criticize and typecast everyone. Only a bigot could say something to that effect. This child obviously has some serious issues. She needs help, not condemnation, from the whole city. A 14-year-old from the suburbs would face no “shame”, mainly because her parents would do all they could to keep this information from seeing the light of day. Poor people have no such luxury. That this child is engaging in this type of behavior at such an early age is startling and unacceptable. And, I am “from the ‘hood”, and most people “from the ‘hood” would say the same thing. Idiot.
And no, race is not as important to me as it is to the rest of you. You people take delight in the fact that many of those guilty of deviance in this city are African Americans. You are happy this is a black kid; I have sorrow that this is a child. That children arfe resorting to adult crimes is a sign of how bad things are in some families. The very same thing happens in white families, but there is not half the media coverage when one of you screws up. When there is intense scrutiny on one of you, you talk this nonsense of forgiveness and “the luv of Geezuz Kryst”. My concern is that a child exposed herself to something that is so dangerous in so many ways. No one can tell me that someone did not know what she was doing. The parents of this child need to be horse-whipped.
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From George: Not sure why this has developed into a race issue. TJ, I will assure you if this girl was white she would get the same amount of attention. The focus here is on her age not ethnicity.
I dig, George. I am very sensitive about the age moreso than the race. If anyone slept with this child, they need to build a jail, and place them under it…while they’re still building it.
“A 14-year-old from the suburbs would face no “shame”, mainly because her parents would do all they could to keep this information from seeing the light of day.”? TJ21
Why does someone who berates others for “so-called” racists remarks turn around and makes racist remarks himself (see above)?
Fly doesn’t know what goes on inside the “hood” nor do you know what happens in the “burbs.”
So what makes you any better? I’m not trying to start anything and am only asking so that I can understand.
Being from the white race, I can assure you that what Fly said about a white girl being blackballed is very true. She would be considered an outcast for the rest of her high school days by her white peers.
“A 14-year-old from the suburbs would face no “shame”, mainly because her parents would do all they could to keep this information from seeing the light of day.”? TJ21
Why does someone who berates others for “so-called” racists remarks turn around and makes racist remarks himself (see above)?
Fly doesn’t know what goes on inside the black “hood” nor do you know what happens in the white “burbs.”
So what makes you any better? I’m not trying to start anything and am only asking so that I can try and understand where you are coming from.
Being from the white race, I can a!ssure you that what Fly said about a white girl being blackballed is very true. She would be considered an outcast for the rest of her high school days by her white peers.
When I read the topic, I DID NOT think about the race of the girl, just the young age. Obviously, the girl needs some serious counseling and I hope she gets it. I am sure the mother will be thoroughly questioned by authorities and CPS.
OK, LET’S MOVE ON….
This kid obviously has watched a friend, sister or might even be mom, turn tricks for money and sees it as a quick way to money.
The person or persons who got this kid into this lifestyle should be sent to jail and the other inmates made aware of why they are in jail. This would shorten the time frame the tax payers would house this so and so.
Black, white, chinese or indian etc., this should NOT be happening to any of these kids. Lock up this girls mom for neglect.
In this city does this really surprise anyone ?
I am so tired of reading all these racist(both sides) remarks when it comes to something as horrible as a 14-year old girl selling her body on the street.
It doesn’t matter that if she were white, she’d be blackballed. What matters is that a child of whatever race thinks it’s okay to stand out on the streets rather than go to school and sell her body.
Her parents have obviously failed her. But, it’s foolish to think that just because this happened in the “hood” it only affects those of us who may live in the “hood” or may look like the people who live there. This affects us all.
Something’s not right with this child. If she’s not already on drugs, what happens when she does start taking drugs.
Maybe she doesn’t make enough hooking, so she decides to rob someone.
The solution is not to throw racist comments around and say shame on those people who happen to live in poor parts of the city. Any solution has to involve realizing that this impacts us all and that we have got to find a way to mentor young children who are not getting what they need at home.
For the life of me I can’t figure out how to make people be better parents, but I do believe that there is something that can be done.
I wish people would use forums such as these for that instead of mudslinging.
I already do what I can to mentor young women, but there just has to be something more that can be done….but, what?
At 14 years old, all I can say is that I hope the proper authorities do their part and completely intervine and separate this girl from her environment. In my opinion this is the only chance this kid has. To me she needs help and needs a better structure than what she has. I also feel that an investigation should be performed on her family. If she was doing this with parental consent then I believe that the parents should be locked up, rights taken away. However I want to also say that I hope that the parents did not know. As I was young once I know that it is possible to keep secrets and other things away from family knowledge. Most of us in our younger days did things without a parents consent. Maybe not to this degree but it did happen. I honestly feel that at 14 with the proper help this girl has a chance and I hope someone steps up. I really dont know without know the facts if jail is the best answer however I would think that some sort of LONG term treatment center style place/hospital would be better.
At Keller:
If this city is so bad, why don’t you leave?
At George:
It was anal sex, not oral sex she offered to perform.
“Apparently she doesn’t have the proper parenting at home or doesn’t have any parenting and trying to do a trick for $35 for anal sex with a guy like me who is 42 years old,” the officer explained.”
“The girl’s father says she comes from a good family and a good home. He says she started acting out when her parents separated three years ago. He says she’s learned some bad behaviors from adults in her neighborhood.”
Oh well, looks like she’s from a “good family & a good home”. That’s a load off my mind.
The baby daddy states she “learned” these “bad behaviors” from adults in the community.
Draw your own conclusions … I have.
More proof of your racism and bigotry. How do you know that he is a “baby daddy”, and not a father? How do you know anything about this kid or her parents? Aside from what was reported, there is a deeper story to this, and you are not qualified to criticize or condemn anyone. You “drew your own conclusions” long before you knew any of the facts.
Children react to separations/divorces in different ways, most of which are counterproductive. The fact that this child did something wrong does not, nor will it ever, mean that what the father said is not true. This kid may well have come from a good home. People from good homes are not immune from making bad decisions. Who knows what choices she was forced to make regarding the separation of her parents. Who knows what she has gone through in her childhood. You certainly don’t…so please, shut the hell up.
tj21 mumbled:
“More proof of your racism and bigotry. …. so please, shut the hell up.
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I’m offended by your baseless allegations, tj21, I never once mentioned race.
George,
I have no idea what kind of script you’re running on this page, but it’s causing problems with my system.
I have to keep disabling it.
SHUT IT OFF!
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FROM GEORGE: I have no control over the script, only WordPress does. I’ve never had a problem with it unitl I got a message today.
“He says she started acting out when her parents separated three years ago. He says she’s learned some bad behaviors from adults in her neighborhood.”
Let’s take a closer look at this comment, ok???
Let’s see … 14 - 3 = 11. She was 11 when they separated, and began to learn some “bad behaviors from adults in the neighborhood”
WTF??? How does an 11 year old learn about hooking from other adults in the neighborhood???
Sure wouldn’t happen where I live. … Dunno about the rest of you.
BTW, where was the “responsible parenting” while this “learning process” was taking place, eh???
George …
You’re correct. Looks like it’s a wordpress issue. Seemed to blow up on them today …
http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=27212&replies=43
Fly whined, ” I never once mentioned race”. When I say “you people”, how many of you think I’m referring to black people? You think because you don’t say the race that people on this forum cannot see to whom you are referring? You must think I’m not very bright…like you aren’t.
Children learn more than you know…and from all sources. He never said when she learned the “bad behavior” or from whom. She could have just as easily learned this from another child versus an adult. Kids are into all types of things. Secondly, you already have a history of making racist and racially insensitive remarks. Now, I’m supposed to believe race doesn’t matter to you anymore? I don’t. I’m supposed to believe you’re outraged over these events, when all they do is give you more proof that you’re better than someone else? I think not. You are a bigot, and any opportunity that becomes available for you to promote your racism, you take it.
“He never said when she learned the “bad behavior” or from whom. She could have just as easily learned this from another child versus an adult.”
But, the father did say she learned the “bad behaviors” from ADULTS in the neighborhood. READ THE ARTICLE!
Kids in my hood would be very hard pressed to find a hooker to emulate.
Let me continue a bit with this train of thought …
Hookers & prostitution would not be present in a neighborhood, if the residents were outraged and did something about it.
They aren’t … and, they don’t.
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FROM GEORGE: Having been in these neighborhoods during busts I can tell you many people feel they’ve been taken prisoner by crime such as prostitution. Many call the police and shoo away people but sometimes they’re too scared, especially the elderly.
The father of this child is assuming she learned this “bad behavior” from an adult. Had he been watching her closely, he would have known she was engaging in this type of behavior inthe first place. He doesn’t know…and neither do you. Also, that kids “in your neighborhood would be hard pressed to find a hooker to emulate” may not be as true as you think. Unless you know all of them and their families personally, you cannot say for certain who knows what. That is proof of your naivete. The people in those neighborhoods are more “outraged” than you think. So, please speak on topics you know something about; you look really dumb when you do otherwise.
Unless you know all of them and their families personally, you cannot say for certain who knows what. That is proof of your naivete. The people in those neighborhoods are more “outraged” than you think. So, please speak on topics you know something about; you look really dumb when you do otherwise
The father of the child is assuming she learned this behavior from an adult. If he would have watched her more carefully, he would have known what she was doing in the first place. No one wants to believe there are kiddie prostitutes out there in this city…but there are.
The father of this child is assuming she learned this from an adult. The fact of the matter is, this guy probably couldn’t name any of his daughter’s friends. Had he been paying closer attention to her, he would have known what she was doing. End of story.
The father of this girl is assuming she learned this from an adult. He probably can’t name any of her friends, let alone the parents and acquaintances of her friends. It is hard to believe a child could think on such an adult level, but they do.
The father of this girl is assuming she learned this from an adult. He probably can’t name any of her friends, let alone the parents and acquaintances of her friends. It is hard to believe a child could think on such an adult level, but they do. Also, you parase on this forum as if you’re so knowledgable on things in the black community. “They’re not outraged” or some other excuse to blame the victims. Unless you have a degree in sociology (or a degree period), or have spoken to them all, you don’t know how they feel about anything.
HUH???
Yea, they’re so “outraged” nothing changes, except the increasing crime rates.
Cut me a break on that one!
It sure doesn’t take a wizard to spot hookers working. BTW, this is just an offshoot of the “don’t snitch” syndrome, and the lack of anything proactive to clean up the hoods.
Hey, ma man, hooking appears to be “generally accepted behavior” in some communities.
If the residents didn’t want it there, it wouldn’t be there. They all have phones, and know how to call their precinct & complain. There’s a lot of other stuff they could do too! They don’t.
I am very upset that a 14 year old girl could be out there selling herself. And if she was brought up in a good home then why couldn’t the parents see what was happening if this is something that stems from a divorce??? I am a parent and as a parent I am very involved in my child’s life. I often sit and listen to her ramble on about her day. I want to know what she is doing and what type of people she is hanging around. I try to give her the best advice I can about how to handle things that come her way. I can tell when something is wrong because I pay attention. How could you not notice your child acting out? There must have been other things that led up to this happening. I really hope that this young lady gets the help that she really needs in order for her to get her life back on track.
As for people calling the police and complaining, there really isn’t anything for them to do!!! By the time the cops get there the drug deal or what ever it was is over and the people gone. The police can only file a report and not much else. I have tried that route. I am a white mother of two girls. I live in an apartment complex that you might consider “the hood”. Drug deals go on all the time. I can’t let my children outside with out either me or my husband. And that is a really sad fact. So please by all means enlighten us as to what you would have us do!?!?! Do you not understand that some times these people are murderers and that we could fear for our lives? I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want my kids to be without a mom. Yes, crime is really bad in Memphis, but don’t point the finger at a black person just cause of their skin color!!! It is people of all racial backgrounds that do criminal acts. I know some really nice educated black and white people. I know a lot of poorly educated black and white people. Race has got nothing to do with any of this. Most of it stems from the upbringing that this kids have had. No matter where they picked it up from. It is our job as parents to make sure that our kids are well informed and know what is right and wrong. If we don’t have the “talks” then where else do they have to get information from other then other kids and adults? We as a whole need to look at how we are raising our kids and what we can do to better their knowledge of what is right and wrong. Get these kids to rise above their current situation and to have a better future.
The fact of the matter is, there are many reasons why “things don’t change”. Not all of them involve the people that reside in a neighborhood.
The father of this child is assuming she learned her behavior from an adult. He doesn’t really know, and cannot conceive of the possibility that his little girl learned how to do this stuff from another little girl. Almost no one wants to believe kids can learn this from other children.
The fact of the matter is, there are many reasons why “things don’t change”, one of which is that change takes time. Add to that the fact that you don’t know how entrenched this element is within a particular community, nor how hard the ne’er-do-wells work to keep things as they are.
Instead of blaming the community - look at the challenges that our youth are facing in today’s environment- regardless of the community. By the way at one time — I lived in that same community and raised 2 of my 3 teenage daughters (both graduates of Hamilton High and both respectable and professional young ladies) - my youngest went to high school in a suburban neighborhood - We moved to give her an opportunity to play her favorite sport so that she can get into college – not because of neighborhood issues. (fascinatingly enough - there are bigger problems there).
Our children are desensitized by music, television, movies and just about every venue of entertainment/media that they encounter. We adults - regardless as to whether we have children or not are accountable to ensure that our future leaders are prepare to go out into the world and become successes- these children will be the ones running in political office, running businesses and providing my healthcare– while I am approaching my 70s.
Are we going to continue to fail them?
For the misguided racism, in my suburban multi-cultural neighborhood – we had a juvenile crime spree in which homes were being broken in to 2 years ago – and a meth lab down the street. The average income on my neighborhood was over 50k a year. None of the crimes were committed by poor blacks – they were children of upper middle class white – everyone regardless of upbringing has an opportunity to be a criminal – there is no such thing a a poor and criminal gene – for poor Americans, Americans of color or children of single parents – just ask the kid that broke into my house with 2 working parents at home..
To the person that keeps – citing this – out of curiosity I checked to see how many blog entries you make - –all I can say is get a job and commit to something positive.
Instead of blaming the community - look at the challenges that our youth are facing in today’s environment- regardless of the community. By the way at one time — I lived in that same community and raised 2 of my 3 teenage daughters (both graduates of Hamilton High and both respectable and professional young ladies) - my youngest went to high school in a suburban neighborhood - We moved to give her an opportunity to play her favorite sport so that she can get into college, not because of neighborhood issues. (fascinatingly enough - there are bigger problems there).
Our children are desensitized by music, television, movies and just about every venue of entertainment/media that they encounter. We adults - regardless as to whether we have children or not are accountable to ensure that our future leaders are prepare to go out into the world and become successes- these children will be the ones running in political office, running businesses and providing my healthcare, while I am approaching my 70s.
Are we going to continue to fail them?
For the misguided racism, in my suburban multi-cultural neighborhood we had a juvenile crime spree in which homes were being broken in to 2 years ago and a meth lab down the street. The average income on my neighborhood was over 50k a year. None of the crimes were committed by poor blacks they were children of upper middle class parent (some white nd some black) Everyone regardless of upbringing has an opportunity to be a criminal there is no such thing a a poor and criminal gene for poor Americans, Americans of color or children of single parents.
To the person that keeps citing this out of curiosity I checked to see how many blog entries you make - because you take joy in being offensive.Get a job and commit to something positive.
Point being … If the residents of any community don’t want to live in a crime ridden community, it is up to them to initiate the changes.
If they contnue to “tolerate” it, nothing will ever change.
The change must come from within, and be something they want. … Otherwise … “same ole … same ole”.
Here’s an example … the other day I was visiting friends in Cordova. I entered Countrywood subdivision on Rockcreek Pkwy from the Hwy 64 side. I passed a MPD cop shooting radar, and continued about 1/2 mile into the subdivision. I passed two white females (looked like homeless Brooks Rd hookers) walking on the center island of the street. As I was passing them, they started waving, and one hollered “want some p*u**y”?
I immediately turned around and headed back to where the radar cop was. I told him what happened, and said I was a former resident of Countrywood. I also said my friends sure don’t want this crap in their backyard.
The cop said he lived in Countrywood too, and that $#!^ wasn’t going to be in his backyard either. He went after them immediately … and told them to get their butts out of the subdivision … and, Cordova.
Now, that is exactly what doesn’t happen in many Memphis “communities”. It could.
I really don’t want to entertain any more excuses for people allowing crime and undesirables to rule their hoods. There is a solution.
It’s called … standing up and fixing it.
Point being … If the residents of any community don’t want to live in a crime ridden community, it is up to them to initiate the changes.
If they contnue to “tolerate” it, nothing will ever change.
The change must come from within, and be something they want. … Otherwise … “same ole … same ole”.
Here’s an example … the other day I was visiting friends in Cordova. I entered Countrywood subdivision on Rockcreek Pkwy from the Hwy 64 side. I pa*s*sed a MPD cop shooting radar, and continued about 1/2 mile into the subdivision. I pa*s*sed two white females (looked like homeless Brooks Rd hookers) walking on the center island of the street. As I was pa*s*sing them, they started waving, and one hollered “want some p*u**y”?
I immediately turned around and headed back to where the radar cop was. I told him what happened, and said I was a former resident of Countrywood. I also said my friends sure don’t want this crap in their backyard.
The cop said he lived in Countrywood too, and that $#!^ wasn’t going to be in his backyard either. He went after them immediately … and told them to get their butts out of the subdivision … and, Cordova.
Now, that is exactly what doesn’t happen in many Memphis “communities”. It could.
I really don’t want to entertain any more excuses for people allowing crime and undesirables to rule their hoods. There is a solution.
It’s called … standing up and fixing it.
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FROM GEORGE: That’s strange. I live there and haven’t seen it but am glad the police took action. I’ve been told by police it’s much easier to stop that kind of stuff when it starts than after it’s entrenched.
Awww please…the only reason why you turned them down is because they probably didn’t look too good. Whatever man.
But, let’s take your scenario, and add a little something to it. Let’s say you did the same thing: that someone threatened to kill you if you said a word to anyone. Let’s also say you’ve seen these people brutalize someone else. Would you be so bold then?
I agree with Fly on post #26 above.
“I really don’t want to entertain any more excuses for people allowing crime and undesirables to rule their hoods. There is a solution. It’s called … standing up and fixing it.”
Just as people don’t have the right to come into your home and trash it, they don’t have the right to come into your neighborhood and trash it, either. If you see anything that even LOOKS like it might be illegal activity, report it - that’s what the police are there for. If the activity in question is over with by the time the police get there, make a report anyway. That way, the activity in question is ‘on file’ and the next time someone reports X going on in the neighborhood the police can say ‘yes, we had a report from someone else on just this sort of thing last week(month)’. The ‘no snitching’ mentality is a LARGE part of this problem.
As for this 14-year-old, we need to keep her and her family in prayer. Makes you wonder what kind of pressure this child is under that she would stoop to selling herself - and selling herself for sodomy, at that….
I’d still call the police … and, would stay on the precinct commander’s tail until the problem was resolved.
All you do, tj21, is manufacture one flimsy excuse, after the other for the pitiful state of many Memphis hoods.
It’s apparent, you are not a “can do” type of person. You are a chronic whiner.
FROM GEORGE: That’s strange. I live there and haven’t seen it but am glad the police took action. I’ve been told by police it’s much easier to stop that kind of stuff when it starts than after it’s entrenched.
That’s the only episode I’ve seen too. Hopefully, this cop killed the “issue”.
The Fly s-s-s-tuttered:
“The cop said he lived in Countrywood too, and that $#!^ wasn’t going to be in his backyard either. He went after them immediately and told them to get their butts out of the subdivision and, Cordova.”
Doesn’t it say something that two girls were working the street 1/2 mile (even poor eyesight can see this) from a cop? Tell me this cop couldn’t notice this? Was this a residential or mixed commercial/residential area?
“Now, that is exactly what doesn’t happen in many Memphis “communities”. It could.”
This would take a huge effort on the part of the police, and the residents that I’m not confident will happen. The police here already have a cowboys and indians mentality regarding certain areas of the city. Without direction being set at the highest levels cronyism, nepotism and the “good ole boy” network has taken deep root in the practices and policies of both City Hall and the police.
“I really don’t want to entertain any more excuses for people allowing crime and undesirables to rule their hoods. There is a solution. It’s called standing up and fixing it.”
Speaking as one familiar with big city crime it sounds nice on paper, you may even get an “amen” or two fro mthe congregation. In practice though it takes a “top down” approach. Even in NYC it took major changes in the way policing was done over a period of years to produce the crime results they enjoy now.
When the police commit to changes the people support them, but unless it comes from the top most will go on the assumption that it’s “business as usual”.
Memphis right now has been lulled to indifference (or some would say ignorance) by “business as usual” politics. That’s the only way to explain the success of an operation that yielded so many arrestees.
Ex-Pat
The Fly s-s-s-stutters…
“The cop said he lived in Countrywood too, and that $#!^ wasn’t going to be in his backyard either. He went after them immediately and told them to get their butts out of the subdivision and, Cordova.”
Doesn’t it say something that two girls were working the street 1/2 mile (even poor eyesight can see this) from a cop? Tell me this cop couldn’t notice this? Was this a residential or mixed commercial/residential area?
“Now, that is exactly what doesn’t happen in many Memphis “communities”. It could.”
This would take a huge effort on the part of the police, and the residents that I’m not confident will happen. The police here already have a cowboys and indians mentality regarding certain areas of the city. Without direction being set at the highest levels cronyism, nepotism and the “good ole boy” network has taken deep root in the practices and policies of both City Hall and the police.
“I really don’t want to entertain any more excuses for people allowing crime and undesirables to rule their hoods. There is a solution. It’s called standing up and fixing it.”
Speaking as one familiar with big city crime it sounds nice on pa!per, you may even get an “amen” or two fro mthe congregation. In practice though it takes a “top down” approach. Even in NYC it took major changes in the way policing was done over a period of years to produce the crime results they enjoy now.
When the police commit to changes the people support them, but unless it comes from the top most will go on the a!ssumption that it’s “business as usual”.
Memphis right now has been lulled to indifference (or some would say ignorance) by “business as usual” politics. That’s the only way to explain the success of an operation that yielded so many arrestees.
Ex-Pat
Good advice, Fly (post #29) - stay on the precinct commander, daily, if necessary, until he or she got so sick and tired of hearing from you that they’ll do whatever is necessary to fix the problem just to get you to shut up; and if that doesn’t work, write or call Director Godwin, and KEEP writing or calling until the problem is fixed. Call the TV station and tell them ‘I live in X neighborhood and X problem has happened X number of times. I’ve called MPD and it still isn’t fixed.’ If enough people in the MPD get ‘called on the carpet’ to explain why X problem in X neighborhood isn’t fixed after X number of complaints, and the media gets hold of it, things WILL change.
Those of us old enough to remember will recall the days 45 or 50 years ago when there were the beat cops on the street corner - we didn’t have all the ….garbage…. that goes on in so many neighborhoods now. Put cops back out patrolling the streets and let the criminal element know that they are there and that they won’t put up with the B.S. that’s been going on - between walking the streets and driving through the neighborhoods, that would make the residents at least a little safer…ANYTHING would be an improvement.
expat knows not of what he speaks … regarding the Countrywood episode, nor the effective leadership vacuum in the city of Memphis.
NYC had effective leadership in Rudy G. who banded together the DA’s, police & judges to alleviate their nation leading crime problem. Memphis has no such person. Memphis has a low IQ mayor who has never, once, been elected on his merits. You all know why he’s in office.
I won’t get into my “Why Democracy Doesn’t Work Well” in some environments. It’s enough to state, it doesn’t. Memphis is an excellent example. A benevolent dictatorship would be a better route for Memphislike communities.
BTW, the most crime ridden areas of NYC objected the loudest to his zero tolerance approach to crime.
He ignored their empty objections, and proceeded to make NYC the safest large city in the USA. The bottom line of this effort was that criminals were ferreted out, and began to pay a large price for their crimes.
I’m a “chronic whiner”? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! For one thing, can you come up with your own words? You have to borrow everything from someone else. But, on to my point…
The fact of the matter is, a lot of witness intimidation goes on in inner city neighborhoods. One reason why this happens is that people like you are out of touch with reality, and seek to impose simple solutions on complex questions. You may call the police, but in our side of town, just becasue you call them does not mean they will respond. These “empty objections” can be igonored because the people complaining are not white, and therefore are not that important to the powers that be. That is not an “excuse”; that is reality.
The Fly s-s-s-tammers:
“NYC had effective leadership in Rudy G. who banded together the DA’s, police & judges to alleviate their nation leading crime problem. Memphis has no such person. Memphis has a low IQ mayor who has never, once, been elected on his merits. You all know why he’s in office.”
Newsflash, community policing was a Dinkins initiative, not Giuliani.
“BTW, the most crime ridden areas of NYC objected the loudest to his zero tolerance approach to crime.”
They objected to an uneven application of zero-tolerance, not the policy itself. Do your homework, oh, I forgot you’re from Buffalo, sorry. Policies have to apply to ALL areas of a city lest they migrate from one area to another (which is the legacy of Giuliani by the way). Giuliani’s method of cleaning up prostitution in the city was to move it to the other boroughs or New Jersey.
Nothing says “tough on crime” like the legions of prostitutes on the other side of the bridges and tunnels leading out of NY. Trust me the few prostitues you see on Lamar was nothing compared to the busloads (yes, BUSES) they brought in for the Republican convention.
“He ignored their empty objections, and proceeded to make NYC the safest large city in the USA. The bottom line of this effort was that criminals were ferreted out, and began to pay a large price for their crimes.”
This began under Dinkins, though most short bus riders want to credit Giuliani.
Regardless, it’s a top down approach. If the mayor and city hall don’t make it an agenda item then neither will the people OR the employees.
There’s two ways to lower crime.
1. Manipulate stats, or move it around the map
3. Fight it by not only looking at the police, but the courts and prison system.
Memphis is doing a lot of #1, and a lot less of #2. You can arrest tons or people but if no one stays in jail then what’s it worth? If your justice system is a revolving door then it’s a waste. If you look at the responses of the girls clearly incarceration is not a fear, just a minor inconvenience.
Ex-Pat
And the congregation said: AMEN! Now, watch fly try to lie his way out of what ex-pat said.
TJ,
The Fly’s of the world were raised on John Wayne saving the day with firepower and cavalry. Cue the music, the hero rides off into the sunset.
That’s the movies though, this is real life. Real life is no John Ford movie (no pun intended)
Ex-Pat
This happens all the time all over the world, now that it’s on the news it’s a problem?????? People need to stand up for themselves, white, black, red , yellow whatever and work with the law enforcement agencies instead of criticizing them and stop wanting schools and law enforcement agencies to raise their children!!!
Looks like the “tj21 & expat mutual admiration society” has spoken.
Lissen up you peeps in da crime infested hoods. Dis be from your resident expert excuse purveyors:
· don call da poleeces when you observe illegal activities.
· DO NOT, under any circumctances, assume responsibility for the condition of your neighborhood.
· Continue to blame the miserable conditions you live under on someone else. (including the crime in your hood)
· It will get better … somehow, it will. Honest!
Attention yj21 & expat:
This is how white people reacted to a crime in progress. My question to you is … “What action would people in the hood have taken under similar circumstances?”
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Crowd snatches black purse thief in East Memphis, holds for police
April 26, 2008
A group of good Samaritans stopped a purse snatcher at the Bookstar at Poplar and Prescott just after 11 Friday night and held the suspect until police arrived.
A 25-year-old female was in the parking lot of the book store when a man walked up to her and grabbed her purse. She resisted the man but was knocked to the ground.
A group of approximately 10 people gathered from the Starbucks across the street and the immediate area and chased the man down, said Lt. Don Crowe of Memphis Felony Response. They held the man until police took him into custody.
“Police would like to thank our valuable citizens that came to help the victim,” police spokeswoman Det. Monique Martin said.
Police charged a black man, 48-year-old Joseph Stewart, with robbery. Stewart has 7 previous robbery convictions, Martin said. No one was injured.
No son…that is an example of how people react to a crime in progress. If you would have been there, you would have broken your neck running in your dress and screaming like a banshee.