We’re told representatives from the ACLU will attend tonight’s school board meeting over a recent incident at Hollis F. Price Middle College High School on the Le Moyne Owen campus. The ACLU contends student privacy was violated when the Principal made a list of student couples on campus. MCS contends the list was made because numerous students were engaged “in explicit sexual behavior in public view on the college campus.” The principal contacted each students parents to inform them of the incidents. Two male students claim they were “outed” due to the principals actions and a list she reportedly had in her office. The students claim they have been harrassed and were told by the principal she doesn’t like gay people. MCS says it supports the principal and her actions. The ACLU wants an apology or it may sue. Read more by clicking HERE.
What do you think?
George george.brown@wreg.com
I would refer the Anti-Christian Liberal Union to an old Rolling Stones song: “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”.
Sue them! You can’t go around violating people’s rights even when you don’t like them or agree with their lifestyle.
George, please understand that I am not trying to be the grammar police, but it should be “two” and not “to.”
“(Memphis 5/1/200
This is the response from Memphis City Schools regarding a complaint filed by the ACLU that a principal at Hollis F. Price Middle College “outed” to gay male students.”
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From George: Got it!! Thanks for the catch.
“explicit sexual behavior”
Pretty subjective description. Without a clear definition of what constitutes this behaviour and without making the students aware of this then the ACLU is correct.
Ex-Pat
So these two perverts were “outed”…and? In all honesty, if these acts for which they are accused of doing actually happened, they “outed” themselves. This is nothing more than another vain attempt by the ACLU to misinterpret and misconstrue the Constitution…again.
TJ, for once I have to agree with you. Misinterpretation and misconstruction is what the Anti-Christian Liberals Union does best.
“So these two perverts were “outed””
And you are from the oh-so-tolerant Democrat Party? Two-faced is what ya’ll are.
A Reagan Republican in this corner: NOT a Clinton Democrat, thank you…
Right is right. It has no race, creed, color, or political party affiliation. When all is said and done, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. In every Bible that has not been re-written, homosexuality is wrong. The ACLU served its purpose in the past, but n o Bible believing Christian can side their recent chain of activity. The lawsuit scares away a lot of people from doing the right thing, but in some cases, a stance must be taken. This open promotion of homosexuality is only the beiginning. Pretty soon, child molestors will be screaming about their “rights” to intermingle with children. Is this what the ACLU wants?
So these two perverts were “outed”…
Doesn’t take much to bring out the true colors of the South, does it?
Ex-Pat
That’s sure not being culturally sensitive, tj21.
How would you feel if you were “outed” at your workplace?
Darn straight, ex-Pat. We Southerners don’t take too kindly to East Coast liberals and West Coast fruitcakes trying to impose their beliefs on us.
Usually, tj21 and I are at opposite ends of the fence, but on this one we are shoulder-to-shoulder.
Victorian Catholic
tj, the child molesters alredy are.
The ACLU should not be involved. The school here has done according to their published rules. The disobedient should be punished, first and foremost. Public sexual behavior by anyone is not acceptable in civilized society. And as tj said in above post, according to the Holy Bible, homosexual acts are perversion, an abomination unto the Lord.
Now ex-pat, looking at the way you spell, I’d say you’re either Canadien or European. I’m not going to say I don’t have anything against homosexuals. I do, and there is a very good reason for it. That aside, most Christians do not believe this “born gay” nonsense. This is something I simply do not accept. If they did whatever they are accused of doing out in the open, what exactly did they expect? I’m not interested in some argument over this topic (especially with you, since I consider you a friend). I simply do not agree with homosexuality and, when you put it out in the open, there will be represuccions, most of which are unpleasant.
“Darn straight, ex-Pat. We Southerners don’t take too kindly to East Coast liberals and West Coast fruitcakes trying to impose their beliefs on us.”
Kinda amusing since Reagan was from the west coast. And he was most definitely a fruitcake.
Ex-Pat
Well…in all honesty, there are “fruitcakes” all over the place.
“Now ex-pat, looking at the way you spell, I’d say you’re either Canadien or European.”
I am neither, been Black all my life, but then again I haven’t checked today. Maybe I did a Godfrey Cambridge/Watermelon man thing overnight.
Hint: When you work for foreign companies you tend to pick up their spelling habits.
Ex-Pat
I didn’t think you were Victorian. As an Independent, I agree with you for the most part about the ACLU; they’re as Marxist as Barack Obama and I’ve never cared for their organization.
In this case, if the school administrators violated these guys civil rights, then they should have to answer up. Honestly though, we need more information (facts) than the article provides to say whether or not any violations occurred.
“Well…in all honesty, there are “fruitcakes” all over the place.”
Yea, but Ronny Raygun made being a fruitcake fashionable.
Ex-Pat
tj,
Will you be at the school board meeting tonight?
Ex-Pat wonders how George can delete 20 posts, but not ban a name like “H@mos4obama” among other equally offensive and outrageous names.
Ex-Pat
Offensive … outrageous?????
Uhhh…yeah. That name is VERY offensive, along with some of the colorful names some people have for Memphis.
“When all is said and done, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.”
This is true! However, Americans are not required to believe in God and/or follow the teachings of the Holy Bible.
I am a Christian but totally respect everyone’s right to live their life as they wish so long as they are not breaking any law.
If it is a fact that the boys in question were openly performing sexual acts on campus, then they outed themselves. If the school administration singled them out to bring them shame and possibly harm, then they are wrong and need to answer for it.
Hmmmphf!
Now I can see why you don’t wear your “pride” button, Mister tj21.
“When all is said and done, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.”
Actually, the founding fathers were Judeo-Chrisitians, but they were very specific in leaving any reference or leaning towards religion out of the Declaration of Independence.
This country was founded on principles that have more in common with Greek and Roman concepts of the city-state than Christianity.
Ex-Pat
Yes, one of the framers of the Constitution—James Madison—made it his business to include the “separation of church and state” clause in the document. However, none of them could have ever imagined we would be where we are today. And no, we are not required to believe in the Bible…but we are required to believe in some type of moral comapss in our lives. Without that, we are no more than animals. The fact of the matter is, if that is how you choose to live your life, that’s your business. When you put your business out on Front Dtreert,then it becomes our business.
And especially when the news media gets hold of it, that makes it our business. I will answer to the Lord for what I say and do, and they will answer to Him for what they say and do…
“The fact of the matter is, if that is how you choose to live your life, that’s your business.”
Exactly. If people discriminate or try to cause harm to come to you by singling you out (for choosing to live your life how you please), then it becomes the business of the legal system.
Tat,
Many here are confusing their own form of morality with the rights of a person as a citizen. You don’t have to agree with a person’s lifestyle, those are moral and theological issues.
Regardless of that choice a person still has the protection and rights under the law as any other citizen of this country.
The role of the ACLU is to ensure that these rights aren’t violated or denied because someone doesn’t like or approve of an individual’s lifestyle choices. In that regard the law is neutral.
Ex-Pat
Yes, but when a teacher acts according to her personal principles and puts a stop to open lewd behavior, and who is cleared by her employer, for this teacher to be threatened with a lawsuit, particularly a lawsuit by the ACLU, is an insult par excellence….
This is just as much about the teacher’s right to be free from interference in the ability to do her job as it is the students’ right to their respective privacy. These students’ sexual orientation is not mine or anyone else’s business, but just as a heterosexual couple would be prohibited from engaging in “open and notorious public lewdness”, so must a homosexual couple. The teacher’s job is to teach, and the students are supposed to be there to learn, not engage in acts which just a very short time ago were illegal….
The ‘civil liberties’ espoused by the ACLU must include the rights of the rest of us to be free from being exposed to flagrantly offensive behavior and the rights of the other students to have an environment conducive to learning.
“Yes, but when a teacher acts according to her personal principles and puts a stop to open lewd behavior, and who is cleared by her employer, for this teacher to be threatened with a lawsuit, particularly a lawsuit by the ACLU, is an insult par excellence”.
The teachers job is to teach, not enforce, impose or define lewd behaviour. The school system has a code of conduct. If it doesn’t violate the code of conduct (that the teacher should be aware of by the way) then anything else is opinion. How you feel about it personally doesn’t matter, if you agree to and adhere to the code of conduct that’s the rule of measurement, not your personal beliefs.
“This is just as much about the teacher’s right to be free from interference in the ability to do her job as it is the students’ right to their respective privacy.”
The article says “in explicit sexual behavior in public view on the college campus”. It doesn’t say in a cla*s*sroom, lab or teaching environment. Technically, outside of a cla*s*sroom isn’t a teacher’s domain. So where does the interference come into play?
“The teacher’s job is to teach, and the students are supposed to be there to learn, not engage in acts which just a very short time ago were illegal”
What was or was not illegal a short time ago is irrelevant. It’s for nostalgia and history cla*s*s, but has no bearing on today.
“The ‘civil liberties’ espoused by the ACLU must include the rights of the rest of us to be free from being exposed to flagrantly offensive behavior and the rights of the other students to have an environment conducive to learning.”
The guy who sits next to me makes the nastiest, wettest, most gross burps all day. It disgusts me to no end. Does it violate the workplace code of conduct? No. Does it make me sick? Yes. It’s his right to burp if he wants to, and my right not to be near it but we have to co-exist in a limited space for 8 hours a day. That’s why they make headphones and ipods.
Ex-Pat
With all due respect, ex-Pat, the two are hardly the same. I have a co-worker who dresses in a manner I find immodest, but it is not my position to tell her how to dress, but my employer’s to enforce the office dress code. She may dress improperly, but she does not engage in inappropriate behavior on company time. MCS obviously has a code of conduct that both instructors and students must follow, and if you don’t play by the rules you should be subject to penalty. These two students didn’t play by the rules, but it is the teacher who is threatened with the penalty… Something is really wrong with this picture.
The way the original article (and hence the ACLU involvement) is worded it appears as if the code of conduct ends, and the teacher’s/principals opinion begins.
Also what’s not very clear is if indeed there is a penalty.
Note, it does explicitly state that the school is on a college campus. So not being a lawyer I can probably guess that what’s at stake is does the HS’s code of conduct apply, or the colleges.
Ex-Pat
“With all due respect, ex-Pat, the two are hardly the same”
No need to say this, you are rarely, if ever, disrespectful.
Ex-Pat
VC,
For what its worth, this is about as civil a discussion as I’ve seen here in a very
long time.
Ex-Pat
Thank you, ex-Pat. See y’all tomorrow.
Victorian Catholic
After hearing you guys talking about your co-workers, it gave me a renewed appreciation of being able to work at home for my employer.
This is because adult people have discussed and disagreed about actions and ideas on an adult level. It truly makes for some good read, brings up interesting facets, and shows others how to state positions in a calm, rational, grown-up manner.
In the construction business we don’t have dress codes. Thank God, cause there sure are a lot of butt cracks out there showing LOL.
For once I am like Victorian, I am on TJs side. You got me there TJ and I agree totally. These two fruits were engaging in public sexual acts and that in and of itself is against the law. They were outed when they outed in public. Why weren’t they arrested? I think they need to stay in Overton Park, or better still at home.
It just aint right!
The school is saying one thing and the 2 students are saying another. I wonder what the truth really is.
Something isn’t making sense here… how is that the two students claim they were trying to keep their relationship quite and private yet the school is accusing them of explicit sexual behavior.
Or is the behavior mentioned in the school’s statement referring to heterosexual couples?
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From the ACLU website:
The two students now represented by the ACLU, Andrew and Nicholas (who have asked that their last names not be revealed), were two A students who had been seeing each other for a short time and were attempting to keep their relationship quiet and private. The principal heard about them through another student, then wrote their names on a list she posted next to her desk, in full view of anyone who entered her office.
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From
Unfortunately, in fall 2007, we received numerous complaints from LeMoyne-Owen College faculty and staff that some of our student couples were involved in explicit sexual behavior in public view on the college campus.
I could be wrong here. But, I would believe the faculty before I gave strong consideration to the students account. I was a student once (straight I might add) and students have a real difficult time not spinning an issue to make themselves look good. Just remember that, ok?
I don’t care if it is straight gay or crooked students doing “public” acts. They should be outed and booted!
Why does the ACLU perceive a need to get involved in this whine???
Sounds to me as if the student homos were treated exactly as the student heteros.
• ALL students who were expressing “innapropriate affection” on the campus were on the “list”.
• All students who made the list had their parents
contacted.
Looks to the Fly as if the homos think they should be receiving preferential treatment. Of course, the ACLU is always ready to jump on that bandwagon, aren’t they.
Does the ACLU believe these homo students were really “outed”??? Like everyone else didn’t already know what was going on with the two fruits.
I would have to say … if the ACLU believes the homos inappropriate displays shouldn’t be sanctioned just as the hetero displays are, then the heteros are being discriminated against.
Which is is, libs???
Thank you, Fly. Looks to this Victorian Catholic as if the homos think they should be receiving preferential treatment at the expense of the rest of us, and, of course, the ACLU IS always ready to jump on that bandwagon. No rainbow/pride buttons for me.
If God intended for us to be gay, there would be all men here or all women. Enough said